He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). It was a party nevertheless. What else could he call it? > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? ", "They were nutcases. <<<<<<<<<<<. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. ME> Again. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. >What else could he call it? The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? Let's get out of here.You're my witness. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples WebThe masked woman in the secret party appears to be Mandy (Amanda Curran), who overdosed on speedball in the movies opening, and Bill revived her. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<> this," Mandy says, "Ya." WebEyes Wide Shut. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. > He didn't recognise her voice. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. Web .

1925 . I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. Orgy? Take another listen. Amazing. >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. But which'party' is Bill referring to? I am ready WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). She helps Bill at the He wasn't positive. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. He didn't recognise her voice. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. What a joke to call them "philosophers." I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. ". > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. Orgy? ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. Same voice. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. Put on some headphones and listen. >What else could> he call it? >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! Orgy? I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. <<<<<<<<< has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. Crumb Eye. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. 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