I cant vouch for all the information because I havent researched it myself. Mitch has seen church governance from both the inside and the outside. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. And really, I came back to the Lord at Willow and He used that church to help me reestablish my relationship with Him and with His church. You can choose from more than 60 majors and learn in a Christian environment known for its spiritual values, leadership opportunities, and strong financial aid. What is it was Chicago? He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. The cover up of his behavior manifested at the elder board level. It was stunning to me. I think its incredibly dangerous. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Amen. And yet here we see a church thats ostensibly about serving God, and its about proclaiming the gospel and yet this is happening within the church. And then everyone could say, Oh, how sad that that one person did that one thing. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Their board operated by unanimity as well. I dont think that theres anything at a mega church that innoculates it from being good. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. Thats a rhetorical question. Yet Mitch isnt just the lawyer whos seen megachurches as an outsider bringing accountability. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. So to some extent, we all have a measure of hypocrisy. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. The church said in essence, Tsk, tsk. So glad to see you feature Mitch Little. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. It took a variety of forms. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? I dont think I could survive the corruption I see today had I not seen so much thats good and beautiful in the church growing up. Pete has offered to How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. And he came back and said, I cant do this anymore.. I think he lost it. But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? Youre its just not its not a matter of if its a matter of when. There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. So thank you. Ive asked that question many times. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. So many people are looking the other way. Very few. But this certainly raises red flags. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. At the same time, hes writing a book and writing articles for Christianity Today about marriage purity. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. What I need most is what I dont have. Or what is the church think about Calvinism? something along those lines. Now youre a lawyer. By the way, the best thing that was said in the recording is that if character isnt there, none of the regulations will matter, and if character is there, one doesnt need the regulations. Through Petes teaching on Sundays and through various conversations with other staff members during the week, God shifted my perspective on what it means to live life in Christ one from my own efforts to please God to one of Christs efforts on my behalf to love me deeply, extravagantly, and permanently. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. Thats what he was. And Harvest was the same thing. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Think about the people whove done it historically, you know, the Chuck Swindolls that I mean, we can we can run off a list of names, we can also run off a list of failures. Ive even friended a few. Whats our theology? etc. You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. I know for a fact that his article was circulated among the staff at Willow, and they crossed the Rubicon of credulity. I think the larger the platform, the more rigorous the accountability needs to be. In fact, I know some of them. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. And it turns out there were a lot more women who had been affected by Bill Hybels. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. I Absolutely horrible. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. I am thrilled to be here. Not so much at Willow till after, because I was so wrapped up in the Harvest stuff at that time and the Moody stuff that I didnt really have the capability or the bandwidth to do much reporting about Willow. And the Nancy Ortberg situation, a hug that lasted too long. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Well, and it troubles me too, that so many of our Christian organizations seem to be more beholden to lawyers advice and counsel than they do the Word of God. Likewise. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. Its good to be visiting with you again. I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. Is that correct? Serving in the role of elder is a huge responsibility. There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? But its an analog. Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. I have plenty of authentic friends just not at church. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. I was blown away. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Dear anonymous. And these men are good actors. Many organizations that have a board of directors consisting of yes men or yes women who are inclined to go along with the board chairman and/or are friends with them. Pete Briscoes father, Stuart Briscoe, who I loved dearly, hes not in good health, I wish he was, I wish he could hear this and Id wish him well. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. It is. We were fighting asymmetric warfare, right? Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. Nobody who is an elder at a church should have any aspect of their identity wrapped up in either the role of being an elder or in the success or failure of the organization. Its biblical. Not sad or contemplative, but agitated and very irritated. And he committed sex acts with her. Because they were required to move by unanimity. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. In the early 2000s, as Stuart and Jill transitioned into minister-at-large roles and spent more time traveling to serve the global church, an additional voice was added in order to bless the supporters ofTelling the Truth. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. Destroyed by a staff person is my understanding. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both I am with you in this sad place of justified disappointment in the church. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. Im doing well but probably not as well as you because youre on vacation in Florida. David Jankowski. And today Im excited to be speaking with Mitch Little. But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. Yeah, I just saw you ran a story on MacDonalds massive mansion in Illinois being held in the name of Vanilla Bean LLC. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. Thank you so much. I would probably have been among those who defended Bill saying, He couldnt have done these things; Hes too strong of a Christian leader. I see this culture as similar to the Corinthian church with the man who was involved with his fathers wife. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. Yeah, thats right. Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. It is a collection of people. And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. With that purpose in mind, they launched theTelling the Truth ministry. And I think you hit the nail on the head. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Right? We were talking a little bit about the elder board. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. Im Julie Roys. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. And so when these things happen, they cant just stay silent. 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