That, in a sort of ass backward way was Michael's question. PAT: Like shed give the women a choice. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. JAD: If they see methyl groups sitting on that bit of DNA, they are pissed. You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". That is a bad way to start a kid's life but that's just the beginning of the kid's life. Yeah. Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. You're slippery, partner's slippery. Yes, she has the same name as me. But it failed. SAM KEAN: Very easily. Please welcome Barbara.]. Or does it get passed on such a deep level that doesn't even require teaching? I mean, were not gonna do that ourselves. That's how we ended up with four of them. We actually sent our friend, Pejk Malinovski, to the archives in Stockholm to check it out. [laughs]. Baby, be careful. So for Isaiah, being born was like just being cut off. It happens. And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. Radiolab is a radio program broadcast on public radio stations in the United States, and a podcast available internationally, both produced by WNYC.Hosted by Jad Abumrad, Latif Nasser and Lulu Miller, each episode focuses on a topic of a scientific and philosophical nature, through stories, interviews, and thought experiments.. A little village? I'm graduating in December. ROBERT: If you were a great rat mommy, what would you be doing with your rat baby? A little village? ROBERT: Rewrite their their blueprint? Just sing. And one of them is called the thyroid system. 01:04:34 - Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. Well, this is it! She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. JAD: In those books you can read everything about the citizens of verkalix, going back hundreds of years. Apparently, those grandkids SAM KEAN: Were less prone to diabetes. ROBERT: Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. OLOV BYGREN: So they didn't starve to death. And he was going through withdrawal. You're eight, sorry. So for Isaiah, being born was like just being cut off. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. At the Vivarium, as the name suggests, they have live animals. These were kids that didn't end up with Barbara? PAT: And in 1989, when the story we're telling now started, she was living in California, in Orange County. And if you were eating a whole lot between 9 and 12, one-quarter. Whole lifetime of stretching. Like shed give the women a choice. Knock it right off the DNA. PAT: If Barbara had gotten to Destiny's birth mom, Destiny, Kalia, this moment, none of it would exist. ROBERT: They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside OLOV BYGREN: That is the time where the sperms are developing. JAD: No, not brain cells. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a co PAT: Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. The reason they're more aroused is that the mom's licking activates the release of adrenaline and noradrenaline in the pup. One parent stretching isnt going to do anything, see thats the bummer of Darwinian evolution. MICHAEL MEANEY: I was an undergraduate student. He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. Remind me this. I mean, they didn't have porridge. Anyhow, so you got this guy, Paul Kammerer, who's good with animals. Around 1908, he started publishing all of these results. And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. Oh my goodness. Its a terrible thought! Were there any consequences? You cant say that. And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. All right, I'll get in the water." PAT: When you first hear about this, what goes through your mind? Full transcript: Radiolab co-host Jad Abumrad on Recode Media The new season of More Perfect, a spinoff show from Radiolab, began airing Oct. 2. He was miserable to look at. And what about the four kids that weren't raised with Barbara? And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. JAD: Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. JAD: And then, Michael just launched into this thing. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. And these effects, in fact, were so strong that you could trace it to the grandfather. I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. Yeah, the social worker called and told me the mother had given birth. ROBERT: Remind me this. Like have you ever had one of those moments where you suddenly are your dad and it catches you off guard? No, I've only had somebody call and say they regret that they didn't stay on birth control. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Why? Yeah, like you can help them overcome you. ROBERT: Thats what Darwin says, you cant. They present previous theories on evolution and then present the currently accepted Darwinian Theory of Evolution. He thought it worked with humans, too. JAD: [laughs] Youre just just judo, that's all this is. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. JAD: Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. JAD: But were gonna play you stories where JAD: This is Radiolab. IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. Wow. All the babies I had seen and all the people that have called me to tell me about their babies that were damaged. This is the verkalix church parish record. PEJK MALINOVSKI: It's not very politically correct, huh? [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Well, I just want to eliminate drug-addicted babies from being born. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". DESTINY HARRIS: Yes. PAT: But a year later, the social worker called again. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. He had one remaining midwife toad. That's the stuff that makes you you. I mean, yes, I might get a great family, but I might not. The critical part of this JAD: Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. And I think that no, I didn't plan on it but I wouldn't take her back for anything because she made me better. Because we had already had to upgrade from a car to a van, from a condo to a home. JAD: Turning down a job that they'd offered him. You know, they say it only takes one time. This is nice and quiet. And in one day, we can imagine, he gets curious. Right away, people accused her of targeting women at their weakest moment and enabling their drug abuse. PAT: I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. Then 275 words will cost you $ 10, while 3 hours will cost you $ 50. Yeah, there you go. PAT: And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. PAT: That's a lot of people. Why would that happen? Suddenly you're marked. This is what's called the slow growth period. JAD: And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. CARL ZIMMER: Enhancing public understanding of science and technology CHARLOTTE ZIMMER: in the modern world. Edward Condon Session III American Institute of Physics. Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: To any drug-addicted woman who will agree to have no more babies. I want her to be able to look back on her life one day, maybe when she's getting interviewed, I don't know, and be able to say that, "Yes, my mom was there for me 100% without a doubt." I mean, I'm married to a Black man. I have to be creative.". That's it. How do these simple little traits get passed forward? Anyways, God bless you. And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member ofThe Labtoday. Riksarkivet. JAD: I got to say this is spooky. ROBERT: Well, that's the good news, but unfortunately there is some bad news here. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I feel that they should all be sterilized. BARBARA HARRIS: Aw, you blew him a kiss? LULU: Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? I don't think that puts me in the same category as Hitler. SAM KEAN: And the key point is that it wasnt something inborn in them. JAD: [expletive] That was awesome. ROBERT: Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. ROBERT: So, the thought is, when those little boys in verkalix were really, really hungry, their hunger started a chemical process that reached all the way down to the DNA inside the boy's sperm. Radiolab: Parasites Transcript For copyright reasons we can't provide a transcript of the WNYC Radiolab feature on parasites. You know? Inheritance from Radiolab on Podchaser, aired Friday, 1st April 2022. Then, Carl told us about this research that showed Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. Okay, and then I just had to accept it. Its gonna get messy. ROBERT: And this idea won him a lot of fans, including, not surprisingly, the Soviets. 10 Controversial And Thought-Provoking 'Radiolab' Episodes. So, the thought is, when those little boys in verkalix were really, really hungry, their hunger started a chemical process that reached all the way down to the DNA inside the boy's sperm. It's such a surprising result. CARL ZIMMER: He's not just talking about toads anymore, he's gone way beyond toads. Kick off certain hormonal systems. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. I went to the hospital and picked him up. Radio Lab: Into the Brain of a Liar March 6, 2008 We all lie once a day or so, according to most studies. [laughs[ Exactly. In any case, what they saw at the end of all this counting wasWell, first of all, what they saw was this pattern that rat pups who got licked a lot as babies, when they grew up, they licked their babies a lot and the rat pups who didn't get licked a lot, when they grew up, they didn't lick their babies. JAD: What you see in the records, is that one year PEJK MALINOVSKI: 100 liters. They began to grow these all puffy things on their hands. We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. It means what if grandpa has a bad day? Radiolab branded apparel and accessories are available at the Official Radiolab Online Store, aka the Swag Lab. CARL ZIMMER: He was mighty skeptical. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. And the key point is that it wasnt something inborn in them. 2K views almost 2 years ago 48:23 Love it or hate it, the freedom to say obnoxious and subversive things is the quintessence of what makes America America. He actually coined the word biology, too. What do I know? The results are obvious to you. The right hand had been cut off for microscopic slides. I think I was really horrified and terrified. One time, and I'm on flighter. What happens, it'll get stuck to one little part of the DNA and now that little bit of DNA And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. A couple of days later, I had already bonded with her so much, it was as if I gave birth to her. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: This is real physical-chemical interaction between what's going on in the environment and what's going on with the DNA. Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. But a few of us make a habit of it. Four or five steps later, we are in JAD: So almost instantaneously, the mother's tongue has reached into the baby's brain cells. BARBARA HARRIS: And I was a waitress, I worked for IHOP for over 30 years. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. Its something I still think about all the time. Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, you can't touch that. [laughs] Can you say, "Never, ever?" The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. JAD: Or did I somehow learn that? This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. This whole toad thing, to the Darwinian faction, it didn't scan really. And one of them is called the thyroid system. And if you were eating a whole lot between 9 and 12, one-quarter. CARL ZIMMER: Well, there was an expert on reptiles named G. Kingsley Noble. I make a difference to her. Each stone represents a radioisotope by means of a. More what kind of stuff? BARBARA HARRIS: "I want to thank you for your support and kindness as always." And to believe anything else, that's naive. So she told me Barbara had another baby and Did we want it? She was totally an oops kid. And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. So here's what you're going to notice. And all over the political spectrum, from Hollywood lefties to social conservatives. And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. But I'm going to give them a basin of water. I got to say this is spooky. When you explore what makes people tick or how the universe . All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. Maybe like those methyl things we were telling you about with the rats. They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. So moms licking activates serotonin, and it's released onto brain cells in the hippocampus. In just two generations, these toads seem to have done something that should have taken, I don't know, 50, 100 generations? Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. And that advantage, whatever it was, because it starts with one individual, and then it gets passed onto the kids, and then onto their kids, it would take a long, long, long time to spread through the whole population because, generally, that's how evolution works. [1] Radiolab was founded by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich in 2002. PAT: As Barbara made the rounds on the daytime talk shows, the reaction was split right down the middle. 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